2022.08.24 WednesdayThe reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. I do agree that any time when you have health issues its because of sin which is why God allows pain and suffering. We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. Gods will was for me to forgive. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with the Lord with good performance You cant make up for sins nor can salvation be earned. Im sad to here that fellow Christians cant get along, and I will start praying for all Churchs to be revived. The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. I have attended an IB Church my entire life (34 years). We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. Ephesians 2:8-9 All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. We believe that all the redeemed, once saved are kept by God's power and are thus secure in Christ forever. Why do people think that I dont have time to pray for loved ones simply because I have this site up? 1. Hypocrites! In thinking back, I see that the church was filled with tiny idols like that. Many on here were saved at a IFB church. 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). Ive used tattoos but not permanent ones. However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. And I know you included that on your list, but there is a difference between joking and bitterness and I can see it in the comments as well as the post. Some of these are very much right on the money. Oh yes, and he forgot the most important, essential factorrelated to KJV reliancevirtual ignorance of and illiteracy in biblical Hebrew and Greek!!!!!!!! I cant stand when preachers pound the pulpits because its distracting and irritating for me though I am not against preachers yelling as long as they dont yell too loud. The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. Jesus died for all, and if God is willing to forgive me because Jesus died for me than I will forgive another because Jesus died for them too. 5. What surprises me, though, is that he was ordained as a pastor and actually called to pastor DL Moodys church in Massachusetts as a divorced man. Baptism of believers by immersion in water symbolizes sincere faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection with the desire to walk in newness of life. These Independent Fundamental Baptists appear to be inconsistent, and so misguided. If you think that the KJV is inspired, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 2. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. If you had one opportunity to send a lost love one time to any church , which would it be ? Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? ALL sins are forgivable, even homosexuality although it is a detestable sin in Gods eyes. You ALWAYS have your KJV Bible with you at church, and turn to numerous verses each sermon. That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! WebBaptists reject the notion of baptism of people who do not know what is happening to them, such as children. More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. If your church sings Just As I Am at the end of every service We sing that song once in a while since its a good invitational song. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. Forgiving someone has nothing to do with whether or not you believe that Jesus died for their sins. Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. Lol. 25. We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. G. M. Matheny. 5. I already know where the IFB is coming from, I was indoctrinated in their dogma for 25 years. Told to leave them to the hog mire until they return to the father.. You seem to enjoy copying and pasting scripture with no explanation or apparent relevance to the discussion so I thought Id give it a try also. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. Its a Biblical principle that we are commanded to follow. He wasnt saying that spanking is right or wrong, but that definitely extreme discipline and beating kids is not what the Bible teaches. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. Thanks for reading! 12. WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. We believe in the natural divisions of Scriptures as a basis for study. Many of these, yes are extreme, be we also need to not be compromising in some areas. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Then, I can display my tolerance by making of list of things that I disagree with someone else about and make fun of them. That makes no sense. Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. If your church as at least 2 Revivals per year, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Those myths are addressed in my article: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, I dont need to wait. 39. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. No one knew about the marriage except us. If you laugh (snicker, sneer, roll your eyes, etc.) These are not sacraments to earn salvation, but privileges granted by grace. WebWe believe that Jesus gave Christians two ordinances: The Lords Supper and Baptism. Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 6. Im still separate I have just decided to sin. 17. Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Its not an Old Testament Law vs New Testament issue. Forget the past and move on to do those things that shine light to the lost, edify the saints, and glorify God. I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. The members were so sweet to us. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. This Bible is preserved for the English speaking world without error in the King James Version. Baptists do not believe that baptism brings salvation, but rather it is the answer of a good conscience toward God. The problem is assuming intent instead of asking. Jesus does that. People need Jesuswhats the big deal? If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I know you scoff at my pity but there it is. If you think that other than suits and ties for men is too casual for Sundays While I dont believe that you must dress up for church with suits and ties, however, I do believe we should honor God in His house by dressing up. If this life of inner peace is what I can have without feeling the need to write long lists then Ill take it. And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. Be careful that a fanatical or unbiblical few do not cause you to condemn us all as a group. I believe this passage is a description of the IFB church Im a member of. 4. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse then yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 17. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? 22. If you think anything what the churches teach about salvation is easy believing this is not true in our congregation. I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. For example, #54. I wanted to go to church but was not able to. From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. Im so thankful for Gods grace on your life and the lives of your family. I received these because of lies that I was single with no income. And, aside from the ones you mentioned that are truly sinful (i.e, #17, #53), and the ones that are just inaccurate (i.e, #13, #16, #35), some of these are interesting picks to end up on the list. Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 My writing tends to be somewhat heavy and serious so every once in a while I like to add some humor to lighten things up a bit. Teaching there is any unforgivable sin besides the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ is not biblical. The verses you quoted are taken out of context and dont mean what you imply them to mean. Pastor Wilkerson was the one and ONLY pastor who allowed me to work passionately in what ever church ministry I chosen. Everyone has sent in their life. N/A Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. Cleveland Baptist Church - Cleveland, OH - Pastor Kevin Folger ; Community Baptist Yes, we have strife and faults and hypocrites. If you think that any rational thought is dangerous because it may lead you to believe something different than what the IFB believes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 50. Anybody who opposes the IFB teaching is bitter Cant say that because anybody who opposes BIBLICAL teaching is spiritually blind because they dont know the truth. Steve, Im a 29 year old pastor of an independent Baptist church. If you think that tithing 10% of your gross income is the minimum, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 6. We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). I must say, I was hoping the list would be more interesting but the fact mixed into the exaggeration of each point was mostly so true it seemed a bit pointless! 31. You can read more about that here: https://baptistdeception.com/cult/. I hope you found some church that preaches the truth (even though they may differ on some things with me). You wont go in yourselves, and you dont let others enter either. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist Preaching and Bible Study from the Word of God the King James Bible at Vision Valley Baptist Church in MT. If your pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body but is himself an obese glutton, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 25. If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. From my perspective turning people away from the IFB is turning them towards God. Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? Its never spoken but up there to read. 42. Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I have to admit its a lot less work than actually thinking through things. Thats sweet. Thanks for being thankful for the grace God has giving us. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. You should read my article on that: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, Dont get me wrong but tithing is still scriptural, even within the New Testament. I only hope that you will see it before too long. Sometimes it makes you wonder if they have EVER read/learned anything from Jesus! No one leaves on good terms unfortunately. 38. The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. I also KNOW the areas that Hes not pleased with as I choose to hold on to that which the Bible clearly states as sin. 7 You hypocrites! Hypocrites! On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. The New Testament church should be an independent church. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. The membership No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. Its my calling and my ministry. Even I believe that if you are living in sin you are getting to the point where you are eventually will lose your salvation. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! Our only Head is the Lord Jesus Christ and our only headquarters is heaven. The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. IFB people as a whole, are generally willfully ignorant people. When you find Christ, you are a new creation and the spirit helps you to live a life that pleases Him, not us. Remember when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees? Just because we forgive people doesnt mean we are obligated to marry them or anything else. Should we stay living together with our baby in fornication? Basically he was just marketing for his college. However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. Luke 8:17, Daniel 2:22, Luke 12:2. We got saved that day September 14, 2014. I have no opinion on this They are shared in my article about tithing: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. We just look for a biblical church to go to. Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). The explosion caused property damage but no injuries or deaths. Its concept of an ecclesiastical Kingdom is not supported by Scripture. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. I will cut to the chase: my Pastor and his wife took a much needed vacation a few years ago. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. More than one earring per ear for women is worldly I dont agree that multiple earrings per ear for women is worldly as long its not fancy. (1 Timothy 2:1-6; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 5:9,10), The local church is mandated by God to practice two ordinances. I dont know what Daves intentions were. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. 27. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. 19 How blind! My birth mother is a Catholic she didnt raise me. IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? Mind your own business. WebThe 1920 Baptist Fundamentals declared, The fundamental principle of the Baptists, in common with many other evangelicals, has always been the gospel, which is the essence Not of works, lest any man should boast. Most pastors skip virtue, usually because they just dont know any better. I have no position or opinion of this We believe that speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism or filling of the Holy Spirit and that ultimate deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection, though God frequently chooses to answer the prayer of believers for physical healing. Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? N/A (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. We went to th IFB church that next day to say we went to get them off our back. Im convinced that its much much deeper than rejecting real truth .. many many come back in southern Baptist churches, but not ifb churches.. what say u. I can tell by your grammar and spelling that you arent very educated (just an observation not a judgment). Some of these doctrines are as listed. We believe in the bodily resurrection of all men, the saved to eternal life, and the unsaved to judgment and everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46; John 5:28, 29, 11:25-26; Revelation 20:5-6, 12-13). This is the same pastor who said, you can come and let us tell you how you can know how you can know for sure how you can make Heaven your home. If you refuse to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcoholic beverages, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 27. If a child is behaving like a child (i.e., appropriate for his/her age), but you think they are being misbehaving and rebellious, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 40. If you believe that doing, saying, thinking, etc. If you confuse the KJV with the KJB, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 3. 24. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. the appearance of things is more important than reality, aka, you will cover up abuse and silence victims in order to protect the name of Christ. At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. I dont deserve Gods forgiveness or even my husbands forgiveness. I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. The pastors name is Kevin Draganac. The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. Jack hyles was an adulterous heretic. So spontaneous but like it was planned. Im sure that this was meant to be funny but I can tell that you seem bitter. No, thats silly! I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. It is the Divine Revelation of God to man and is the complete and infallible guide to faith and life. There isn't much out there on the web. Just please be sure that your judging is fair. I dare say it would be the one you enjoy making fun of. Oh well, maybe another discussion. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ was raised bodily and that He ascended to Heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God, where, as our High Priest, He fulfills the ministry of Representative, Intercessor, and Advocate (Acts 1:9-10; Hebrews 9:24, 7:25; Romans 8:34; I John 2:1-2). [2] They are described by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as "a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings." You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. Others are very much unfair criticism. [14], Tarrant County, Texas preacher Dillon Awes attracted considerable controversy for advocating that "every single homosexual" in America be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head. Generally its the Pastor, or Preaching Elder or Minister, that has to attend multiple services because he has to preach the sermon. I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. 19:13-15. 20. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? That is contrary to Bible doctrine for a pastor. around the world wherever our Lord directs. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. Or deciding not to clap for special music? The two are completely unrelated. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. We believe in the autonomy of the local church free of any external authority or control. JUDAH. To be brought back to the norm of what being a Christian is all about. The Lord is doing His work in ths world through local churches. Every child of God has equal access to their Heavenly Father. If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 55. Ive known many people whom God has reached using the IFB. This is the first and great commandment. Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. Jesus Christ is the mediator between God and man. Years ago, I heard a very funny but truthful skit on what was or wasnt OK. Each verse ended with, Its OK, because Independent Fundamental Baptist Preachers do it.. If you believe that attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 36. I remember our pastor asking us if we could forgive each other, and praise the lord we forgave each other for the offenses committed against each other. It emphasizes love at the expense of truth. Hypocrites! 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. If you run into a church member at the grocery store and see that they have a bottle of wine or maybe a 6-pack of beer in their cart and you struggle over whether you should share this information with your pastor, you might be and independent fundamental Baptist! Ill fight against the abusive traditions and teachings of the IFB till I die. I did learn a lot. Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). Romans 5:8 If they are saved , I dare say they regret the day they walked into the very church you enjoy making fun of. I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. We believe that man was created in the image and likeness of God, but that in Adam's sin the race fell, inherited a sinful nature, and became alienated from God; and therefore man is totally depraved, and, of himself, utterly unable to remedy his lost conditin (Genesis 1: 26- 27; Romans 3: 2 2-23; Ephesians 2 : 1-3, 12). Do I believe he punishes no, because Ive gone without tithing and had no awareness of punishment, but when I do tithe I find blessing of increase in physical and spiritual goods. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. They try there best to live for Christ and to give God the glory for everything. (Acts 2:41-47; 1 Corinthians 12:12,18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Hebrews 10:23-25), Scripture mandates two offices for the local church: Pastor and Deacon. Peace. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. If your church has a tract rack outside the sanctuary, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 22. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! operating or proceeding inconspicuously but with grave effect. They have distinct responsibilities and operations. I was taught that. According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. Like a grenade strike, no commitment to understand or empathize, just broad and arrogant assumptions. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? I dont believe my husband was the only one hurting the relationship. You can read more about it here: https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, I never said the IFB is a cult because some IFB churches may not be the best. I have no belief, opinion, or position of this We teach that baptism is necessary for salvation as I get this quote from the King James Version from John 3:5; Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
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